The show's been hearing it too. The problem is that they took that backlash and now they're attempting to use it to increase viewership with a "spot the mistakes" scam where 10,000 troops or former troops will repeatedly tell them the same thing... over and over and over... telling them about mistakes that by now, they damned well already know.
Sorry, you only get one chance to make a first impression. Having a Navy officer as a writer on the set for a show like this makes as much sense as having a grunt writing on 12 O'Clock High.
That you people were seemingly unaware of the buffoonery and complete lack of professionalism your show exhibited... how some of those actors wouldn't be allowed anywhere near the military generally or ground combat forces particularly, how the portrayal tended to make us look like idiots?
There is no excuse. You want to write about Army enlisted? Go out and find some Army enlisted to hold the pen. It's not like there aren't some literate, experienced individuals who couldn't provide some technical advice... you know, SSG Giunta... or Marine CPL Meyer... or CPT Swenson... or SSG Carter or SFC Petry.
All of them know about combat. All of them know what enlisted life is like by living it or observing it up close and personal.
It's likely any of them would have lent a hand.
But if they did... where would the comedy go?
I find it hard to believe that "owning it up front" will make any difference, and I see this effort only as a reaction to the backlash that resulted.
Men and women who shed blood for this country as a group should only and always be portrayed with a sense of respect and authenticity, not clownish, Hollywood asshatery.
Had you done your homework first, you likely would have found that in the end, there is no basis for this show that bears any resemblance to reality. This stuff isn't funny. Pain, sacrifice and honor are not funny. And nothing you POGS can do will make it funny.
- See more at: http://www.blackfive.net/main/2013/12/enlisted-the-new-comedy-on-fox.html#comment-6a00d8341bfadb53ef019b03e5fbda970d
That you people were seemingly unaware of the buffoonery and complete lack of professionalism your show exhibited... how some of those actors wouldn't be allowed anywhere near the military generally or ground combat forces particularly, how the portrayal tended to make us look like idiots?
There is no excuse. You want to write about Army enlisted? Go out and find some Army enlisted to hold the pen. It's not like there aren't some literate, experienced individuals who couldn't provide some technical advice... you know, SSG Giunta... or Marine CPL Meyer... or CPT Swenson... or SSG Carter or SFC Petry.
All of them know about combat. All of them know what enlisted life is like by living it or observing it up close and personal.
It's likely any of them would have lent a hand.
But if they did... where would the comedy go?
I find it hard to believe that "owning it up front" will make any difference, and I see this effort only as a reaction to the backlash that resulted.
Men and women who shed blood for this country as a group should only and always be portrayed with a sense of respect and authenticity, not clownish, Hollywood asshatery.
Had you done your homework first, you likely would have found that in the end, there is no basis for this show that bears any resemblance to reality. This stuff isn't funny. Pain, sacrifice and honor are not funny. And nothing you POGS can do will make it funny.
- See more at: http://www.blackfive.net/main/2013/12/enlisted-the-new-comedy-on-fox.html#comment-6a00d8341bfadb53ef019b03e5fbda970d
Sorry, you only get one chance to make a first impression. Having a Navy officer as a writer on the set for a show like this makes as much sense as having a grunt writing on 12 O'Clock High.
That you people were seemingly unaware of the buffoonery and complete lack of professionalism your show exhibited... how some of those actors wouldn't be allowed anywhere near the military generally or ground combat forces particularly, how the portrayal tended to make us look like idiots?
There is no excuse. You want to write about Army enlisted? Go out and find some Army enlisted to hold the pen. It's not like there aren't some literate, experienced individuals who couldn't provide some technical advice... you know, SSG Giunta... or Marine CPL Meyer... or CPT Swenson... or SSG Carter or SFC Petry.
All of them know about combat. All of them know what enlisted life is like by living it or observing it up close and personal.
It's likely any of them would have lent a hand.
But if they did... where would the comedy go?
I find it hard to believe that "owning it up front" will make any difference, and I see this effort only as a reaction to the backlash that resulted.
Men and women who shed blood for this country as a group should only and always be portrayed with a sense of respect and authenticity, not clownish, Hollywood asshatery.
Had you done your homework first, you likely would have found that in the end, there is no basis for this show that bears any resemblance to reality. This stuff isn't funny. Pain, sacrifice and honor are not funny. And nothing you POGS can do will make it funny.
- See more at: http://www.blackfive.net/main/2013/12/enlisted-the-new-comedy-on-fox.html#comment-6a00d8341bfadb53ef019b03e5fbda970d
In an excerpt from a chat provided through BLACKFIVE from "Doctrine Man!!" with Kevin Biegel, the non-serving moron "creator" of this travesty.That you people were seemingly unaware of the buffoonery and complete lack of professionalism your show exhibited... how some of those actors wouldn't be allowed anywhere near the military generally or ground combat forces particularly, how the portrayal tended to make us look like idiots?
There is no excuse. You want to write about Army enlisted? Go out and find some Army enlisted to hold the pen. It's not like there aren't some literate, experienced individuals who couldn't provide some technical advice... you know, SSG Giunta... or Marine CPL Meyer... or CPT Swenson... or SSG Carter or SFC Petry.
All of them know about combat. All of them know what enlisted life is like by living it or observing it up close and personal.
It's likely any of them would have lent a hand.
But if they did... where would the comedy go?
I find it hard to believe that "owning it up front" will make any difference, and I see this effort only as a reaction to the backlash that resulted.
Men and women who shed blood for this country as a group should only and always be portrayed with a sense of respect and authenticity, not clownish, Hollywood asshatery.
Had you done your homework first, you likely would have found that in the end, there is no basis for this show that bears any resemblance to reality. This stuff isn't funny. Pain, sacrifice and honor are not funny. And nothing you POGS can do will make it funny.
- See more at: http://www.blackfive.net/main/2013/12/enlisted-the-new-comedy-on-fox.html#comment-6a00d8341bfadb53ef019b03e5fbda970d
So how do you hope to win over the cynical who see this (another) brazen attempt to profit off of the military meme?All of this begs the question: why didn't they get Army personnel, past or present, to go over this crap with them before they screwed it up so much?
KB: All I can do is hope people see the show, give it a chance, and realize where it's coming from and see it's very personal, very heartfelt and not ever, every trying to "mock" anything. I didn't want to do a satire, we just wanted to write something about a place we love and characters we loved... so that's the show. I think shows that you're referring to you can kinda tell when it's not coming from a heartfelt place, you know?
What is the military background of the writers of the show? (and, if not, did//will THEY get some military hands-on like the key cast members did?)
o how do you hope to win over the cynical who see this (another) brazen attempt to profit off of the military meme?
KB: All I can do is hope people see the show, give it a chance, and realize where it's coming from and see it's very personal, very heartfelt and not ever, every trying to "mock" anything. I didn't want to do a satire, we just wanted to write something about a place we love and characters we loved... so that's the show. I think shows that you're referring to you can kinda tell when it's not coming from a heartfelt place, you know?
What is the military background of the writers of the show? (and, if not, did//will THEY get some military hands-on like the key cast members did?)
KB: Aside from myself a lot of the writers have military in their families. A writer in the room at almost all times was a Lt in the Navy. We didn't send the writers to the mini Boot Camp the actors went to - we just couldn't make it b/c we were writing the show - but we want to go if there's a season 2. I did give the writers more research to read than any show I've ever been on. A mountain of books, blogs, and also transcripts of interviews I did with my military friends. No one walked into this with zero education. That said, we have a LOT to learn and the more hands on we can be, the better the show will be.
What serious issue(s) would you'd like to tackle through the medium of the show?
KB: We deal with PTS as a main thing for the main character on the show, survivor guilt, and also deal with the fear of having a loved one overseas / of losing that loved one (the brothers’ father died in combat). My biggest hope for the show is we connect with a big audience in that area. I care more about that than jokes, really.
Is (the show written) in the vein of Stripes or Sgt. Bilko? Or would you say you are closer to MASH?
KB: It's definitely more in the vein of Stripes. For a little bit when I was writing the pilot, I had Stripes on loop on a TV in the background. I'd say even more, though, it's something like Stripes but with some Scrubs thrown in - i didn't want it to be all jokey wacky stuff, I felt it had to have real emotion and deal with some tougher things if it was going to be a show set in the military in 2014. If we are 1/100th the show MASH was, we'd be lucky. That's all time great. What I want to do that's like that show, though (and honestly like Scrubs where I worked for years) is combine comedy with real emotional moments. The main character on this show came close to biting it a few times, and I wanted that to be reflected in a real way - not a "this guy wasn't affected by war" way. So there will be quieter moments here hopefully have honest emotional content that means something to the military community and, honestly and hopefully, to the non-military community
Please: no female Goldie Hawn character. But it does beg the question; will the show touch on SHARP? Give thought to reinforcing stereotypes? The bumbling GO etc.?
KB: I promise no Goldie Hawn character. The main female character is squared away and confident - not neurotic or bumbling. As for SHARP, that's an area I want to explore but only after the audience knows these characters. I want to build to it, so when we do those stories it means more b/c you know the characters.
The trailer makes it look like most of the NCO's besides the brother are unable or unfit to handle the unit the brother is handling. Is this on purpose or incidental?
KB: That's just the trailer... it's made really clear a lot that these guys are the anomaly. Most everyone else on this post is super squared away. But our guys always try to get better, and a lot do.
Some episodes will mean more to you than others. Which episode should we be most looking forward to?
KB: I think in this first group of episodes, the one about Sgt. Hill and his Airstream is what I'm most looking forward to people seeing. I love all the episodes and we worked really hard on them, but that one is the first that (hopefully) shows that we're gonna be a little deeper sometimes and try to deal with some heavier issues. I don't ever, ever want to be preachy - I just want to be honest to what we feel these characters would go through. And that episode is the first that just slows down and shows (again, hopefully) that we're not some wacky silly non-stop goofball of a show.
- See more at: http://www.blackfive.net/main/2013/12/enlisted-the-new-comedy-on-fox.html#comment-6a00d8341bfadb53ef019b03e5fbda970d
KB: Aside from myself a lot of the writers have military in their families. A writer in the room at almost all times was a Lt in the Navy. We didn't send the writers to the mini Boot Camp the actors went to - we just couldn't make it b/c we were writing the show - but we want to go if there's a season 2. I did give the writers more research to read than any show I've ever been on. A mountain of books, blogs, and also transcripts of interviews I did with my military friends. No one walked into this with zero education. That said, we have a LOT to learn and the more hands on we can be, the better the show will be.
What serious issue(s) would you'd like to tackle through the medium of the show?
KB: We deal with PTS as a main thing for the main character on the show, survivor guilt, and also deal with the fear of having a loved one overseas / of losing that loved one (the brothers’ father died in combat). My biggest hope for the show is we connect with a big audience in that area. I care more about that than jokes, really.
Is (the show written) in the vein of Stripes or Sgt. Bilko? Or would you say you are closer to MASH?
KB: It's definitely more in the vein of Stripes. For a little bit when I was writing the pilot, I had Stripes on loop on a TV in the background. I'd say even more, though, it's something like Stripes but with some Scrubs thrown in - i didn't want it to be all jokey wacky stuff, I felt it had to have real emotion and deal with some tougher things if it was going to be a show set in the military in 2014. If we are 1/100th the show MASH was, we'd be lucky. That's all time great. What I want to do that's like that show, though (and honestly like Scrubs where I worked for years) is combine comedy with real emotional moments. The main character on this show came close to biting it a few times, and I wanted that to be reflected in a real way - not a "this guy wasn't affected by war" way. So there will be quieter moments here hopefully have honest emotional content that means something to the military community and, honestly and hopefully, to the non-military community
Please: no female Goldie Hawn character. But it does beg the question; will the show touch on SHARP? Give thought to reinforcing stereotypes? The bumbling GO etc.?
KB: I promise no Goldie Hawn character. The main female character is squared away and confident - not neurotic or bumbling. As for SHARP, that's an area I want to explore but only after the audience knows these characters. I want to build to it, so when we do those stories it means more b/c you know the characters.
The trailer makes it look like most of the NCO's besides the brother are unable or unfit to handle the unit the brother is handling. Is this on purpose or incidental?
KB: That's just the trailer... it's made really clear a lot that these guys are the anomaly. Most everyone else on this post is super squared away. But our guys always try to get better, and a lot do.
Some episodes will mean more to you than others. Which episode should we be most looking forward to?
KB: I think in this first group of episodes, the one about Sgt. Hill and his Airstream is what I'm most looking forward to people seeing. I love all the episodes and we worked really hard on them, but that one is the first that (hopefully) shows that we're gonna be a little deeper sometimes and try to deal with some heavier issues. I don't ever, ever want to be preachy - I just want to be honest to what we feel these characters would go through. And that episode is the first that just slows down and shows (again, hopefully) that we're not some wacky silly non-stop goofball of a show.
Why don't they have former Army enlisted as actors? It's not like they can't find any... if they'd ever bother to look for any.
In any event, this was my response left to them:
Sorry, you only get one chance to make a first impression. Having a Navy officer as a writer on the set for a show like this makes as much sense as having a grunt writing on 12 O'Clock High.
That you people were seemingly unaware of the buffoonery and complete lack of professionalism your show exhibited... how some of those actors wouldn't be allowed anywhere near the military generally or ground combat forces particularly, how the portrayal tended to make us look like idiots?
There is no excuse. You want to write about Army enlisted? Go out and find some Army enlisted to hold the pen. It's not like there aren't some literate, experienced individuals who couldn't provide some technical advice... you know, SSG Giunta... or Marine CPL Meyer... or CPT Swenson... or SSG Carter or SFC Petry.
All of them know about combat. All of them know what enlisted life is like by living it or observing it up close and personal.
It's likely any of them would have lent a hand.
But if they did... where would the comedy go?
I find it hard to believe that "owning it up front" will make any difference, and I see this effort only as a reaction to the backlash that resulted.
Men and women who shed blood for this country as a group should only and always be portrayed with a sense of respect and authenticity, not clownish, Hollywood asshatery.
Had you done your homework first, you likely would have found that in the end, there is no basis for this show that bears any resemblance to reality. This stuff isn't funny. Pain, sacrifice and honor are not funny. And nothing you POGS can do will make it funny.
So, there you have it. They tried to make us look like morons again; they got caught; and because they got caught, they're making people believe that they're changing this show because somehow, they didn't know.
Right.
And people living across the street from Dachau had no idea it was a concentration camp, either.
Here's the thing: if they didn't know?
It's because they didn't WANT to know.
Out, here.
That you people were seemingly unaware of the buffoonery and complete lack of professionalism your show exhibited... how some of those actors wouldn't be allowed anywhere near the military generally or ground combat forces particularly, how the portrayal tended to make us look like idiots?
There is no excuse. You want to write about Army enlisted? Go out and find some Army enlisted to hold the pen. It's not like there aren't some literate, experienced individuals who couldn't provide some technical advice... you know, SSG Giunta... or Marine CPL Meyer... or CPT Swenson... or SSG Carter or SFC Petry.
All of them know about combat. All of them know what enlisted life is like by living it or observing it up close and personal.
It's likely any of them would have lent a hand.
But if they did... where would the comedy go?
I find it hard to believe that "owning it up front" will make any difference, and I see this effort only as a reaction to the backlash that resulted.
Men and women who shed blood for this country as a group should only and always be portrayed with a sense of respect and authenticity, not clownish, Hollywood asshatery.
Had you done your homework first, you likely would have found that in the end, there is no basis for this show that bears any resemblance to reality. This stuff isn't funny. Pain, sacrifice and honor are not funny. And nothing you POGS can do will make it funny.
- See more at: http://www.blackfive.net/main/2013/12/enlisted-the-new-comedy-on-fox.html#comment-6a00d8341bfadb53ef019b03e5fbda970d
There is no excuse. You want to write about Army enlisted? Go out and find some Army enlisted to hold the pen. It's not like there aren't some literate, experienced individuals who couldn't provide some technical advice... you know, SSG Giunta... or Marine CPL Meyer... or CPT Swenson... or SSG Carter or SFC Petry.
All of them know about combat. All of them know what enlisted life is like by living it or observing it up close and personal.
It's likely any of them would have lent a hand.
But if they did... where would the comedy go?
I find it hard to believe that "owning it up front" will make any difference, and I see this effort only as a reaction to the backlash that resulted.
Men and women who shed blood for this country as a group should only and always be portrayed with a sense of respect and authenticity, not clownish, Hollywood asshatery.
Had you done your homework first, you likely would have found that in the end, there is no basis for this show that bears any resemblance to reality. This stuff isn't funny. Pain, sacrifice and honor are not funny. And nothing you POGS can do will make it funny.
- See more at: http://www.blackfive.net/main/2013/12/enlisted-the-new-comedy-on-fox.html#comment-6a00d8341bfadb53ef019b03e5fbda970d
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